When going after the Pages, make sure you get 10 RUSTs per member, when you get to the SKULL, you can just click it twice and go the portrait for the update. You can have the RUSTs b4 the SKULL part.

• Just FYI for getting the pages: I was able to get some of the pages SOLO as a bruiser FD flopping thru the whole area. Mind you I did die a couple times, but it was successful. Only reason I didn't get the other 2 of the pages that way is because I had already done them with a group before that.

• Went into castle the other night (16 July 2007) with 8 and it appears the placeholders need to be single grouped (we tried to two-group a few PHs and didn't get any updates, except for the jeering gargoyle). Once we ungrouped we killed the PH and got our update. The nameds can be two-grouped.

• I lead a 2 group raid for the named updates this past week (24 Jan 2008) and we did not receive quest updates for killing (some) named while in the raid. Once we split the raid into 2 groups, the named or placeholders updated every time. We did, however, receive an update from a leering gargoyle and the named pianist while in the raid. --Uged 22:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)